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	<title>Comments on: Have a Cup of Morning Revit&#8230;and don&#8217;t share it with anyone else!!</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://caduzer.com/2009/09/04/have-a-cup-of-morning-revit-and-don-share-it-with-anyone-else/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hardest sell, I feel, has been in offices where the lead architect has never used a computer in his life. Email is still cumbersome, and yet he wants his firm to grow and compete. I have tried whole heartedly to establish standards in AutoCAD and ALL have been met with avoidance that proliferates through the office and delegates me to be &quot;crazy&quot;. Yet I need the experience of Revit to move on to another firm.....so the cycle goes....and I&#039;m learning it alone. Prepared to pitch projects we designed in 2D, simultaneously I copied them in 3D, and we will see who loves what.......isnt this a little bit like research funds spent to prove smoking was unhealthy???? Didn&#039;t we already know that by default??? Whereas dont we KNOW AutoCAD is postmortem as we speak???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hardest sell, I feel, has been in offices where the lead architect has never used a computer in his life. Email is still cumbersome, and yet he wants his firm to grow and compete. I have tried whole heartedly to establish standards in AutoCAD and ALL have been met with avoidance that proliferates through the office and delegates me to be &#8220;crazy&#8221;. Yet I need the experience of Revit to move on to another firm&#8230;..so the cycle goes&#8230;.and I&#8217;m learning it alone. Prepared to pitch projects we designed in 2D, simultaneously I copied them in 3D, and we will see who loves what&#8230;&#8230;.isnt this a little bit like research funds spent to prove smoking was unhealthy???? Didn&#8217;t we already know that by default??? Whereas dont we KNOW AutoCAD is postmortem as we speak???</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Arkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Arkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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Great posts Scott.  I tell people all the time now to not try to convince the laggards that they need to switch to Revit.  If at this point in time, people still don&#039;t get it, to hell with them.  They&#039;re the same people using AutoCAD R14 and they just draw lines, circles and arcs and copy and paste.  

If we convince them to use Revit, and heaven forbid they do, it&#039;s going to be the same thing over again.  They won&#039;t build full models, they won&#039;t insert 3d content, they won&#039;t pay for training or implementation.  Basically, they bastardized Revit and undercut everyone else on proposals.  They&#039;ll lowball their fees because the won&#039;t hire Revit MEP and Revit Structure engineers and will cut corners.  That won&#039;t help get buildings built.

Let&#039;s keep Revit a secret.  The laggards/naysayers will soon be extinct designosaurus wrecks and that will mean more business and more realistic fees for true BIM firms.  

As I&#039;ve been writing about a lot lately in my blog (shameless plug for : &lt;a href=&quot;http://Revit3D.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.revit3d.com)&lt;/a&gt;it&#039;s all about teamwork now.  As we progress into LEED and IPD, it is going to take a more concerted effort by the entire design, engineering and construction team to work together on the owner&#039;s behalf.  Anyone using 2D linework to get that job done, is just going to muck it up for everyone else.  Creating buildings is a business.  

I still find myself making blog posts trying to convince people to switch to Revit, but I&#039;m talking to contractors and design build firms.  As they show it to owners and the real decision makers, then the owners will really see the light on how CAD vs BIM affects their bottom line.

I&#039;m amused that you, at a firm of your level of excellence would have anyone in your close or peripheral range even having that discussion.  I&#039;m out on the front line every day seeing those who just don&#039;t get it.  I say to everyone, spend your time educating the contractors if you want to thin out the herd.  

How is that people are so afraid of change yet shrug their shoulders to a project with 200 change orders.

BIM is the difference between those who create construction documents and those who document construction.  We&#039;ve moved on to 4D, 5D and 6D (IPD) and when I really want to mess with someone who&#039;s still on AutoCAD, I just have them look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://BIMcycle.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.BIMcycle.com)&lt;/a&gt;.  If they think they&#039;re not late to the party with Revit, when they see the 43 different products that all tie into BIM, well, that&#039;s when I tell them to have a nice day and give them a copy of the AutoCAD 90 tips in 90 minutes book.

Please don&#039;t waste your time on these issues.  Your last post on file linking is the PhDDD level stuff you need to focus on.  I&#039;ll take care of the laggards because they certainly aren&#039;t getting any free training.  They&#039;ll certainly be paying the price for a long time to catch up to people like yourself who were wise enough to figure it out very early on.</description>
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<p>Great posts Scott.  I tell people all the time now to not try to convince the laggards that they need to switch to Revit.  If at this point in time, people still don&#8217;t get it, to hell with them.  They&#8217;re the same people using AutoCAD R14 and they just draw lines, circles and arcs and copy and paste.  </p>
<p>If we convince them to use Revit, and heaven forbid they do, it&#8217;s going to be the same thing over again.  They won&#8217;t build full models, they won&#8217;t insert 3d content, they won&#8217;t pay for training or implementation.  Basically, they bastardized Revit and undercut everyone else on proposals.  They&#8217;ll lowball their fees because the won&#8217;t hire Revit MEP and Revit Structure engineers and will cut corners.  That won&#8217;t help get buildings built.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep Revit a secret.  The laggards/naysayers will soon be extinct designosaurus wrecks and that will mean more business and more realistic fees for true BIM firms.  </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve been writing about a lot lately in my blog (shameless plug for : <a href="http://Revit3D.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.revit3d.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.revit3d.com</a>)it&#8217;s all about teamwork now.  As we progress into LEED and IPD, it is going to take a more concerted effort by the entire design, engineering and construction team to work together on the owner&#8217;s behalf.  Anyone using 2D linework to get that job done, is just going to muck it up for everyone else.  Creating buildings is a business.  </p>
<p>I still find myself making blog posts trying to convince people to switch to Revit, but I&#8217;m talking to contractors and design build firms.  As they show it to owners and the real decision makers, then the owners will really see the light on how CAD vs BIM affects their bottom line.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amused that you, at a firm of your level of excellence would have anyone in your close or peripheral range even having that discussion.  I&#8217;m out on the front line every day seeing those who just don&#8217;t get it.  I say to everyone, spend your time educating the contractors if you want to thin out the herd.  </p>
<p>How is that people are so afraid of change yet shrug their shoulders to a project with 200 change orders.</p>
<p>BIM is the difference between those who create construction documents and those who document construction.  We&#8217;ve moved on to 4D, 5D and 6D (IPD) and when I really want to mess with someone who&#8217;s still on AutoCAD, I just have them look at <a href="http://BIMcycle.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.BIMcycle.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.BIMcycle.com</a>).  If they think they&#8217;re not late to the party with Revit, when they see the 43 different products that all tie into BIM, well, that&#8217;s when I tell them to have a nice day and give them a copy of the AutoCAD 90 tips in 90 minutes book.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t waste your time on these issues.  Your last post on file linking is the PhDDD level stuff you need to focus on.  I&#8217;ll take care of the laggards because they certainly aren&#8217;t getting any free training.  They&#8217;ll certainly be paying the price for a long time to catch up to people like yourself who were wise enough to figure it out very early on.</p>
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		<title>By: DoTheBIM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoTheBIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, that&#039;s been my attitude since I don&#039;t know when. I&#039;m in the &quot;Tryers&quot; group. I&#039;ve always had the attitude... that if something is truly better it will sell itself... admittedly at a slower pace. But it will have a solid base from which to build. I was once asked to try to persuade others to better recieve Revit&#039;s capabilities and limitations. Under the mindset that you just wrote about... I politely decilined and expressed I wasn&#039;t interested in swimming upstream in a waterfall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, that&#8217;s been my attitude since I don&#8217;t know when. I&#8217;m in the &#8220;Tryers&#8221; group. I&#8217;ve always had the attitude&#8230; that if something is truly better it will sell itself&#8230; admittedly at a slower pace. But it will have a solid base from which to build. I was once asked to try to persuade others to better recieve Revit&#8217;s capabilities and limitations. Under the mindset that you just wrote about&#8230; I politely decilined and expressed I wasn&#8217;t interested in swimming upstream in a waterfall.</p>
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